I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
rewatched 'man from tallahassee' today...and all of that disc... and something popped into my head.... it was when ben said ' bring me the man from tallahassee.' i was trying to figure out where in the timeline of alll the LOSTies that this took place... we know it was at least four years before the crash... kate had, as yet, to blow up her dad, sawyer hadn't conned casssidy... jack hadn't married sarah.... my thought is that, the only way that locke would have been able to walk on the island, would be if time had been manipulated somehow... they went back in time to pick up cooper before he could have thrown locke out the window and brought him to the island at the time the plane came down... changing the past to effect the present... is this how the universe course corrects??
I don't know LL. I still think that the island has healing properties that have done that for Locke. Seeing that Ben seems to want to "Study" John and his connection to the island.
COOPER: Don't you know, John? Don't you know where we are?
At night, Ben approaches Locke and wakes him with his stick]
BEN: Wake up, John. It's time.
[He leads Locke to the pillar where Cooper is tied. Ben hands Locke a knife]
BEN: I know it won't be easy. But the quicker the better.
[Ben ungags Cooper]
COOPER: You're kidding me, right? You expect him to kill me?
BEN: John. The hesitation that you're feeling is just the part of you that still feels like he is a perfectly good explanation for stealing your kidney. Throwing you out of an eight-storey window. Don't you wanna be free from him?
COOPER: The hesitation he's feeling is because he is a spineless...
LOCKE: Shut up!
[Locke notices all of the Others watching him]
LOCKE: I, I gotta think.
BEN: Don't think John.
COOPER: [To Ben] You're wasting your time, bug-eye, me and him have been through all this. All he wants is his daddy...
LOCKE: Shut up! I said shut up!!
COOPER: You really haven't figured it out yet have you?
BEN: Let go of him, John.
LOCKE: Why are you doing this to me?
BEN: You're doing this to yourself. As long as he's still breathing, you'll still be that same sad pathetic little man that was kicked off his walkabout tour because you couldn't walk.
[Locke presses the knife against Cooper's neck but pulls it away]
COOPER: I'll be here the rest of the week John if you change your mind...
[Ben spins with his stick and hits Cooper over the head, knocking him unconscious. He then takes the knife from Locke and turns to the spectating Others.
BEN: I'm sorry. He's not who we thought he was.
[Locke looks at stern faces, and walks away past them out of camp
COOPER: Island? OK. I'm driving down I10 through Tallahassee when bam, somebody slams into the back of my car. I go right into the divider at seventy miles an hour, the next thing I know, the paramedics are strapping me to a gurney, stuffing me into the back of an ambulance and one of them actually smiles at me as he pops the IV in my arm. And then, nothing. Just, black. And the next thing I know I wake up in a dark room tied up, gag in my mouth, and when the door opens, I'm looking up at the same man I threw out a window, John Locke. My dead son.
[Pause]
SAWYER: And he's dead cause you threw him out a window?
COOPER: No he survived that. But it paralysed him, permanently. He's dead because the plane he was flying on crashed in the Pacific.
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
in locke's time line cooper threw him out the window... if the others stole cooper after locke's going out the window, from a time that was before it happened... like the tallahassee job that sawyer referred to that went wrong.... then in today's time line, cooper would never have pushed locke out the window.... temporal dynamics... are so confusing...
Except for the fact that by his own admission, Cooper has thrown Locke out of the window already. His shock is that John survived the plane crash.
However, even now, the knowledge of the Losties by Ben and the others is so very disturbing. Remember when Kate told Juliet about how there's a difference between knowing facts about someone and actually knowing someone?
Ben doesn't talk as if he strictly knows facts, he speaks as though he's read Locke's diary and knows his thoughts and feelings. It's more than a surface knowledge and that tells me that there is more involved than just an accidental thing going on here and there's more of an involvement in our groups lives by the others than just their chance meeting due to Desmonds breakdown that caused the plane crash.
AND, I'm still not convinced that it was completely his fault.
Yea, the plane came down during the breif system failure, but that plane was already in trouble before they got into the position to be taken down. They were flying the wrong direction for two hours and that was well before the crash. And, why did the plane split into three pieces like that? Wouldn't a magnetic force ust yank it down? Instead it was ripped apart, but from the ground it almost looked as if it exploded or something.
Except for the fact that by his own admission, Cooper has thrown Locke out of the window already. His shock is that John survived the plane crash.
However, even now, the knowledge of the Losties by Ben and the others is so very disturbing. Remember when Kate told Juliet about how there's a difference between knowing facts about someone and actually knowing someone? Ben doesn't talk as if he strictly knows facts, he speaks as though he's read Locke's diary and knows his thoughts and feelings. It's more than a surface knowledge and that tells me that there is more involved than just an accidental thing going on here and there's more of an involvement in our groups lives by the others than just their chance meeting due to Desmonds breakdown that caused the plane crash.
AND, I'm still not convinced that it was completely his fault.
Yea, the plane came down during the breif system failure, but that plane was already in trouble before they got into the position to be taken down. They were flying the wrong direction for two hours and that was well before the crash.T And, why did the plane split into three pieces like that? Wouldn't a magnetic force ust yank it down? Instead it was ripped apart, but from the ground it almost looked as if it exploded or something.
