I've been considering all this the future is the past, the past is the future, the present is the past that might be in the future if you wind up in the past or the past if you wind up in the future kinda thing and a question came to my mind. There's so called future tellers in the show. I have to wonder ... are they predicting the future? Or recounting the past ? Just as Sayid blurted out to the Dharma version of Sayid "You're all going to die" because he was recalling the past, the he has lived in but they have not yet so thus it would be their future. To them, he would seem a future teller - even if they don't believe him, when in reality he is really recalling the past, which is in the future now.
So, when Mrs. Hawkins told Desmond in The Constant that he wasn't supposed to buy Penny the ring, that he was supposed to go to the island - was she telling the future? Or was she making sure he got on the right path because she's already been to his future in her past? So, her past, Desmonds future.
Same with the guy who gave Clair info about her baby. Maybe he knew because maybe he'd already been there ...
It's something to ponder. Some equated the "Mrs. Hawkins" type's in lost to some type of guardian or spiritual being or something. Maybe they're just people who are living in soemone elses future from their past.
Thanks :) Yea, stump the people who know everything - haha. I also had another puzzling idea. Daniel said that if they averted the "incident" that none of this would have ever happened. The plane would have never crashed on the island, Desmond would have never pushed the button and the swan would have never been built.
First, lol, if that's the case, then poor Desmond would have been stranded there do do what? Because I can't see how this would have kept him from being in a sail boat trying toprove himself worthy of Penny. And I don't see how it would have kept him from crashing into the island. It, if Daniel is right, would have erased the whole button pushing thing - so what? He'd still have crashed on the island and I guess would have never been found or gotten off since the plane never crashed, right?
Next thing is, and it's gonna take some figuring for me to make this make this into sense outside of my own head.
Ok, the others - including Ben were all alive and well on the island in the future when the plane crashes. Now, according to Daniel, this "incident" causes the annialation of every living thing on the island ... if I am hearing him correctly.'
This begs to reason, either Daniel is wrong, since in the future the "incident" has already occured and not everyone died, or maybe everything they are trying to attempt they already did before. Meaning, all the questions they had in the "future" are answered by most of everything they are doing right now in the present - they caused a good bit of the things that happened in the future.
I hope I'm making sense. Boiling it down - Daniel is trying to prevent future events, but what if what they are all really doing is by trying to prevent they are actually causing the events themselves. Charlotte said she remembered a crazy looking man coming to her as a little girl and telling her to leave the island with her mother - well Dan did that already now. We know she leaves the island with her mother, so Candle must have taken Dan's warning and sent people away. But that already happened in the future.
Think about it, they caused Ben to be the way he is. Sayid shot him, and then Sawyer an Kate handed him to Richard who told them "He will never be the same. "
Well, what would he have been like if that had never happened? I think it had already happened to begin with. It could be that they are not changing the future I think they might be repeating the past.
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
What if this morning you woke up and there was a knock on your front door - and it was you and you told yourself that tonight you would flash back to this morning where you would knock on your door. You could spend the day with your older self but then tonight - you would flash back to this morning and knock on your door and tell yourself that tonight the younger you would flash back to this morning.
At the end of the day, the younger you would flash back and the older you would continue on with your life having spent the day with yourself from 2 different perspectives - as the younger you meeting the older you and as the older you meeting the younger you.
Now the tricky part - if during your day together, there was a terrible car accident, the older you could die (because it is the older you's present) but the younger you knows that they can't die, because they had to be alive in order for the older you to go back in time one day. The older you would know what happened to the younger you (because you witnessed it when it happened to the younger you), but the older you wouldn't know what happend to the older you after you flashed back to the morning, because the older you hasn't lived past today yet. Now if the older you died during the day, then the younger you would know that during the day after you flash back, you would die. If the older you didn't die while the two of you were together, than neither one of you would know what is in store for you tomorrow.
There is only 2 copies of you during that one day that you spend together because the older you continues on with your life when the younger you flashes back. This isn't a continuous loop, it only happens 1 time to you, but some people trying to map out your life seem to get caught up in the fact that you are going around in circles. There is not ever a time where you didn't flash back today, and nothing the older you does can change what happened to the younger you because the older you remembers it happening. If you tried to not knock on your door, you would fail and end up there knocking anyway.
