Hmmmm... very interesting!

the cable was too small in diameter to be able to carry much in the way of current and/or voltage so i doubt if it was intended for power transfer usage. It is almost certainly a communication cable of some sort, possibly fiber optic, it reminded me of a ocean crossing cable, probably for telephone usuage. You have to remember cables used underwater have to have a very tough outer jacket to handle abrasion and water pressure, water inside the jacket would short out the wiring post haste, this makes the jacket quite thick. I would not be surprised to discover an underwater hatch, that would answer a lot of questions raised along the way. I am still convinced the island's electrical power comes from hydro-electric power generation from dams and reservoirs and as i remember at one point in time they showed two fairly large plumes of water jetting out of the side of a mountain, i think the magnetic fairytale is just one large red herring used as a distraction and false trail.

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the cable was too small in diameter to be able to carry much in the way of current and/or voltage so i doubt if it was intended for power transfer usage. It is almost certainly a communication cable of some sort, possibly fiber optic, it reminded me of a ocean crossing cable, probably for telephone usuage. You have to remember cables used underwater have to have a very tough outer jacket to handle abrasion and water pressure, water inside the jacket would short out the wiring post haste, this makes the jacket quite thick. I would not be surprised to discover an underwater hatch, that would answer a lot of questions raised along the way. I am still convinced the island's electrical power comes from hydro-electric power generation from dams and reservoirs and as i remember at one point in time they showed two fairly large plumes of water jetting out of the side of a mountain, i think the magnetic fairytale is just one large red herring used as a distraction and false trail.

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volts!!! so glad you made it and thank you for the info... this needs to be more widely known!!!!!!!!!!

I have a good friend who owns an island in lake st. clair in what's known as the flats at the north end of the lake. He has a power cable running underwater from the shore to his island just for his cottage and boathouse and his cable is at least as thick as my forearm and i am a large person. I would guess it's at least four inches in diameter. I really didn't intend to shoot down your theory but i feel that cable has been overplayed and exagerated along the way, i don't feel it has any real importance at all. Being a retired master electrician and electrical contractor i tend to look closely and sceptically at all things electrical shown in the show. Perhaps i should say all things shown in the show, not just the electrical stuff. Too many hard to swallow things for me to be happy.

to some extent yes, modern medicine uses magnetic therapy to treat a variety of problems, ultra-sonic and ultra high frequency radio waves also. They are supposed to promote more rapid healing, particully burns and open wounds and broken bones. I have never had the need to use the above so can't comment on first hand expirence. Sounds sensible to me.

i have a number of magnetic braces and have used them on my back and shoulders when they hurt and it does seem to work wonders... also wrists when theey hurt and when my arm falls asleep... lately i have been using a band on my toe as i sleep and i swear it makes it feel better while it is on....  i believe in the ability of magnets to heal.... and will use them whenever i have a major hurt!!!

One of several things i have been racking my feeble brain about is how would a magnet, an electro-magnet, generate electricity to operate all the stuff in the various hatches and where does the electricity come from to power the magnet? If it truly is an electro-magnet it needs electricity to power it. I still think the whole dang island is powered by at least one hydro-electric power generating plant some where on the island. You may remember in some earlier screen caps. they showed two large plumes of water jetting out of the side of the mountain. I suspect this is the discharge from the turbines which are turning the generators, and i suspect there would be at least two generators in case of problems with either one. I can't think of any way a magnet can generate electricity directly. Incidently the history channel had a pretty good one hour program about magnets on modern marvels last night, and i'm pretty sure it will be shown again soon. I will re-visit this subject in the next few days.

Lady, before the hatch was built the magnet probably was not there. I imagine whoever built the hatch built the magnet too, although i can't figure what the purpose was. I just can't figure any reason to install a powerfull electro-magnet in the hatch, i can't understand what the purpose was. That magnet business baffles me completely, I don't have a clue what it was intended to do. That must have cost a small fortune so they must have had a good reason to do so. I would assume the magnet is powered by a capacitor bank and requires somewhere in excess of 108 minutes to charge up. If it is not discharged by that time frame it flashes over and stirs up quite a fuss.

I'm cutting this up to help keep my mind active to this train of thought...

Now if it was a military base the Magnets could have been installed during the war in an attempt to build some sort of EM weapon. Something to be used on the Allied ships and planes to keep them from attacking their homeland. Could we find out that the only reason that Japan was succesfully bombed by the atom bomb was because the US gain control of the island??

If this is what happened then it's easy to see how the island has ever since been used in one way shape or form. I think it's easy to think that The Hanso Foundation could be involved in things like weapons design. So they could have gotten their foot in the door with the island through that, and then as the cold war ended the US just offered it up to the highest bidder.

OK...I'm reaching, but also giving myself more to think about.

OK, let's look at thermal power generation and see if it fits. Virtually all thermal generation systems require either natural deep vents down into the earth's crust or deep drilled wells. Water is pumped down into the vents/wells to generate steam, the steam is used to run turbines hooked to generators to make electric power. The condensate water is pumped back down to make more steam. Nothing in this type of system requires anything similar to the timeing set-up in the hatch/cavern. This type of system tends to be self regulating, you merely install a pressure relief valve in the steam line in case of over-pressure. This type of system is self-contained and only requires minimal supervision. The only real maintenance needed would be lubricants for the turbine bearings and the generator bearings. The generator can be air cooled or water cooled.

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One thing i think has been mentioned in the past is the extreme logistics involved in building the hatches/caverns/tunnels, etc. is the beaucoup bucks it would take to build everything. Nobody but uncle greedy would have the assets to spend that much moola with no real return of the money. A private corporation would have to be sure of a very good return on the money it spent, and might not have the resources to do it. It would have required many ships, much manpower, much expensive equipment, and they would have had to negotiate with whoever owned the island for the use thereof. I think it is almost 99.999 percent certain that uncle greedy built it in the first go-around.

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Nice to see that we are both thinking a bit in the same dirrection. Either The military, or at the very least the Govt.

The internet itself seems to be messed up, all the various yahoo sites were not available or were extremely sluggish all morning. Seems to be getting better now. Maybe another virus or worm atack?

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In re- your comment about the japanese using the island, I suppose that is a possibility, however all the electrical switches, fused disconnects, junction boxes, motors, and other pieces of electrical gear I saw had logos of american companies, square d primarily. I would think anyone building something like that would use readily available materials that they were familar with.

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Very true, but like we've talked about before. It's very possible that at some point Hanso/Dharma came in and upgraded some things. I.E. the tunnels being blocked. Could have been part of a massive upgrade to make things usable for their needs.

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Actually, it could have been used by several different groups at different times and revamped as each group needed. It could have been built by the usa, captured by the japs, recaptured by the usa, and turned over to dharma after the war when it was no longer needed, and then maybe abandoned when dharma felt they didn't need it anymore. Make sense?-- Edited by voltsandamps at 23:46, 2006-06-24

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It does make sense, and that really seems like a better thought than just the basic idea I had. Seems like it could have gine like that, and it was then used as each group needed. That would explain the small differences between some of them. Some were more functional to one group than to the next. So some have been used and upgraded nearly every time it's changed hands, but then others may not have been used at all.