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Sir Snootch


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Ok...the epi from my view showed that Des is in fact NOT full of super powers. I'm glad about that. With Heroes out there I would have felt that they would havfe been trying to steal from the other show. I love the "Alternate" reality or time travel if you will. I'm still wanting to go more with the alternate reality or path of what they had known. (Kurt V. is good thinking LL)Maybe the crash has somehow altered their reality, and they have ended up on a parallel path to the one they had been on. BUT...what does that mean for the losties/others? Well...I'm actually starting to pluck a bit of a new theory, and so I'll put that in a new thread.
As for Charlie... As someone already said. Does this mean that he should have actually died when Ethan strung him up? I don't think so. I only say no because it was Jack that saved him. Jack is also in this for a reason, and we are slowly seeing from the begining of the show that he's meant to save people, or at the least he is supposed to help others. So Charlie in the throws of death was meant more as a test for Jack than to kill Charlie. The island is more involved in this (my new theory) than I think any of us know. With the whole "stealing" thing. I think that in fact Charlie is again (like many other thimes in this show) trying to do something bad, but :For the greater good". His past shows that he's not been a saint, but he's never done any truely evil acts (like killing or things of that level). His past is made up of minor mistakes, and some have come from hiswanting to do what other people wanted of him. When he sets his mind to do what he wants for himself he doesn't seem to do "bad" things. I'd actually like to see him get his issues resolved before getting killed off. He is by far the biggest mess of a person on the island. His mind, heart, and sub-consious are fighting, and tearing him apart. As we have seen with pretty much everyone that has died. They don't die until they have seemingly resolved their personal issues (confronted their demons). So it may in fact have been that Des was supposed to save him the times he has. If for no other reason than because Charlie hasn't finished doing what he was brought to the island to do.
OK...I'll put more in here when I think of it. I also need to get going on my theory thread before my mind starts to wander.

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Desmond_Pen


We originally made you a pineapple fruit cake, but there was a slight accident. A very yummy accident.

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snootch2danootch wrote:
They don't die until they have seemingly resolved their personal issues (confronted their demons). So it may in fact have been that Des was supposed to save him the times he has. If for no other reason than because Charlie hasn't finished doing what he was brought to the island to do.

And Locke saved Eko from the bear! But he died anyway!
And Eko's brother saved him by taking the bullet!

 



-- Edited by Desmond_Pen at 14:51, 2007-02-15

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lockesladyness


I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."

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the universe has a way of course correcting

i think those are the words we have to keep in mind... when was charlie supposed to die? when he and des met on the street corner? when the plane crashed? at some other point in his life?? is charlie just an extra piece in the puzzle right now that is supposed to be gone? will this loop in time continue until alll of these scenarios are palyed out?
perhaps shannon and boone were supposed to die in the crash and that is why they met their fates on the island...

the universe has a way of course correcting.... if it don't getcha today, tomorrow is another day....


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ladymod
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I wonder how they will manage to explain it if this really is some other dimension or alternate reality?

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lockesladyness


I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."

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here's a kick and a totally devious thought... what if it is just another dharma mind-game .... nothing is real.... they just make you think it's real... it is alll a game... one big mind game....

too simple?

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lockesladyness


I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."

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 is this des???


"Sisyphean task" or "Sisyphean challenge"

Sisyphus on a red-figure vaseAs a punishment from the gods for his trickery, Sisyphus was compelled to roll a huge rock up a steep hill, but before he reached the top of the hill, the rock always escaped him and he had to begin again (Odyssey, xi. 593). The maddening nature of the punishment was reserved for Sisyphus due to the mortal's hubristic belief that his cleverness surpassed that of Zeus. Sisyphus took the bold step of reporting one of Zeus's sexual conquests, telling the river god Asopus of the whereabouts of Asopus' daughter, Aegina. Zeus had taken her away, and regardless of the impropriety of Zeus's frequent conquests, Sisyphus unmistakably overstepped his bounds by considering himself a peer of the gods who could rightfully report their indiscrections. (Edith Hamilton's Mythology, 312–313). As a result, Zeus displayed his own cleverness by binding Sisyphus to an eternity of frustration. Accordingly, pointless or interminable activities are often described as Sisyphean. Sisyphus was a common subject for ancient writers and was depicted by the painter Polygnotus on the walls of the Lesche at Delphi (Pausanias x. 31).

According to the solar theory, Sisyphus is the disk of the sun that rises every day in the east and then sinks into the west.[1] Other scholars regard him as a personification of waves rising and falling, or of the treacherous sea.[2] Welcker suggested that he symbolises the vain struggle of man in the pursuit of knowledge, and S. Reinach (Revue archéologique, 1904) that his punishment is based on a picture in which Sisyphus was represented rolling a huge stone up Acrocorinthus, symbolic of the labour and skill involved in the building of the Sisypheum. The 1st-century BCE Epicurean philosopher Lucretius, interprets the myth of Sisyphus as personifying politicians aspiring for political office who are constantly defeated, with the quest for power, in itself an "empty thing", being likened to rolling the boulder up the hill. (DRN III)



-- Edited by lockesladyness at 17:30, 2007-02-16

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Desmond_Pen


We originally made you a pineapple fruit cake, but there was a slight accident. A very yummy accident.

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Did anyone catch this? I rewound til I spelled it right - Charlie's sign said Charlie, then Hieronymus - check this out, I haven't read it all! Weird!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_Bosch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Garden_of_Earthly_Delights

 here it is! I was wondering where I put that!



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Desmond_Pen


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lockesladyness wrote:

 
when des awakens in the jungle after implosion, he finds the book and the pic... two things needed to set the loop in motion again??? he sez please let me go back ONE MORE TIME. has he done this before????

he tellls charlie he was trying to save him.... should charlie have died in the palne crash? was the universe resetting it's self???.


so many questions....

Interesting!

 



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LionQueen


It Doesn't Matter Who We Were Before ...

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Desmond_Pen wrote:

Desmond_Pen wrote:

Did anyone catch this? I rewound til I spelled it right - Charlie's sign said Charlie, then Hieronymus - check this out, I haven't read it all! Weird!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_Bosch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Garden_of_Earthly_Delights

here it is! I was wondering where I put that!



 ah, Des you brain you .... I also posted about that in LNO. clever:)



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