OK, I've started thinking more about what the island is. Where the losties really are. Why the others have said that the island can't be found. And many things that go along with this. So I'm going to start putting down my thoughts, and see where it takes me. And if you want to laugh at my ideas feel free. I'm sure I will at times also.
-- Edited by snootch2danootch at 17:09, 2007-02-15
So with the latest episode I've started looking at the idea that this island is in an "Alternate" reality. By this I mean that the crash itself was the catalist to shove them from this world as we know it, and pushed them into a reality parallel to our own. What many people thought was them being in (CAUTION "P" word ahead) Purgutory. Is in fact a different reality. Now here is my thoughts on how this may be working, and a idea that could in fact see all of our "LOST" (dead) losties appearing in a non-flashback episode before the show is over. Our losties that have died all seemed to have come to terms with whatever bad things or things in their lives that had been keeping them from being "Good" people. With the exeption of Libby. Who in fact may have done that without many of us watching even seeing it. I for one had thought she was stalking Hurley, in some attept to redeem or get even for her husband being killed in the "Dock Incedent". As she came to be on the island, and did in fact spend time with Hurley to try to get close, and with his money on her mind(my thoughts at least). She in fact did fall for him. It's not unheard of for someone to fall in love with someone that was at one time hated or at the least disliked. I've seen it in one of my friends. (They are now married for like 4 years) So she did in fact come to terms with her inner demons or whatever you want to call it. Now that deems the next question though. If...if they die or whatever when their sins/demons have been dealt with. Then What do we not know about Hurley that is keeping him there? Or for that matter a few other people like Rose, Bernard, and Claire. My thoughts with them are that they are the cogs that turn the wheels to help the rest of them solve their issues. With this thought this would explain why Michael and Walt were let off the island. They were both innocent (in the islands/others eyes) so they had no reason to be there any longer. I htink Walt being taken is a mystery to me still, but I do think that they are off this island. (Are they on the on Jack is still on though?) So if this theory is to work...then what happens to them when they die here? Well what if (and that's a BIG what if) this whole thing is an experiment by the others in a radical form of therapy? What if this is all designed to put them in a place that they can't escape until they are deemed "saved"? Then once they are they are pulled back to the present/real world. Look at it like this. Ben gave Michael the exact coordinates. So is it possible that those dirrections sent them off this plane of existance, and back to the one that they were in before the crash? This would maybe be a way for Hanso/Dharma/Widmore to help change/save the world. They take people from all sects of the world, religions, and lifestyles. Teach them to work together as a family of sorts. Make them realize that in life none of the material things or standards set by the world as a whole mean anything without you being a good person, and also being accepting of others regardless of status, race, ect.. They come back to this reality better people, and as a result maybe over time the more people that have gone through this, and/or the ones who have gone through it help other people to learn. In fact this does....SAVE THE WORLD!! In time this could help stop wars, fight crime, cure disease....the list is endless in how it could change the world. In the end it comes back to the thought that the button being pushed wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. It was their in part to help give the Losties or whomever a common goal to work for, and to bring together peoples of these different types to work on that goal. I think the plane crash just gave them the chance to watch and research this idea on a MASS scale instead of the 1-1 level.(Des-Kelvin) I mean wouldn't that be a great chance to watch your studies and concepts in a greater light than in any other way? But it still is in a controlled environment. OK..on to the next post.
Look at the people and what they are about from the plane. Jack- Upscale Dr. from a wealthy background, but is a proven caregiver, and wants nothing more than to do for others. Some of his past is still a mystery, but we'll be getting that soon. Could this be where we learn about his sins/demons? Sawyer - Love him or hate him...he's the ruffian, lower class man that wants it all. He has desires to be more, but knows nothing but conning, and his demons are very well documented. His compasion and ability for more are showing through, and I think his redemtion or saving grace in this show will in fact be when he plays out the one most selfless act that one can. He's going to die during this show at some point, and it's going to come when he gives his life for another. His love for others will be shown, and I think it's going to be....JACK. We know his feelings for Kate. It's a given that he'd do this for her. But for him to do this for Jack would be the ultimate show of selflessness. Could it go something like this.....
A dispute with the others is going on. A handfull of the others are in a gun fight with the losties. As everything is going on, and it's complete bedlam. Sawyer catches a glimps of someone getting a sneak approach on Jack from the side. He yells to Jack, but in the meyhem he doesn't hear Sawyer. So Sawyer runs to save Jack, and as the shot is fired we see them both fall to the ground. The sounds all stop...Kate looks over as if the shot fired was the only one. As she screams and starts running we see slight movement as Jack is looking at Sawyer.(eye to eye) Jack quickly rolls him over, and that's when he sees the blood. Sawyer took the shot for Jack, and now Jack struggles to help him stay alive. Sawyer looks over to see Kate running to them. He grabs Jack's hand, and gets Jack's attention. He looks him in the eyes, and with his last breaths tells Jack to take care of her, and to tell her that he loved her. Jack screams/cries (cause that's what he does) as Kate gets there, and falls to her knees. She begins to do a very similair thing to what Jack did to Charlie(not giving up) but this time Jack grabs her, and pulls her close to keep her safe as we come back to the full scale of what's going on around them. Bullets continue to fly as kate and Jack mourn the loss of both of their best friends.
Whew.....that got a bit long winded. But it works for me, and I think it'd be a good way to see things play out. Regardless I believe that Sawyer will be one of the last to find his redemption. Kate - Middle class girl with a tragic yet devious past. Her act of blowing up the house. Like some others was in fact again one of the "For the greater good" acts. She did this to save her mother form the life that was terrible, and she did what she thought best. Since that act she became a bad person in the way she ran, and couldn't do anything but avoid dealing with her demons. She did many things that were bad, but at this point it was all needed to save herself. She has come to grips with much of her past, and has shown her ability to do for others without thought for herslef. She's around now more as a cog for Jack/Sawyer than for her own issues. She may still have a bit left for herself, but it's more about other people now. Jin/Sun - Both from different classes to begin with, but they have both done bad things that they are due to pay for. I think Jin has grown into a greater man since being on the island. He slips up a bit, but his past I think he's come to terms with. Sun on the other hand hasn't. Her infidelity is going to be an issue for some time (not with Jin, but her). Until she can put that past behind her, and realize that regardless if it's Jins baby or not. Jin seems very set in his mind that he's going to take it as his own, and that he wants nothing more than to protect her, and the baby. The only monkey wrench that could be thrown into this is if Sun's baby comes out with an afro. I still think that there is a chance that she had cheated again on Jin with Michael. When he was still being the overbearing man..she went to Michael in a time of weakness, and they got jiggy with it.
OK...so now with those thoughts you get the idea. That this could all be to teach them how to be better people, and to let go or atone for their sins. in this way effecting others back in the real world and in the grand scheme maybe over time this will help the worlds people save themselves from a terrible future of war, strife, hunger and all the things we see in the world as it is now.
-- Edited by snootch2danootch at 09:54, 2007-02-15
Not sure if you are hoping for feedback, or just want to post.
I agree with everything . . . and yet I will refine parallell universe in a different way. We are outside of ourselves. Our alter ego (the Holy Spirit, etc.) is released from us internally to guide us . . . outwardly to bring us to the choices the universe wants.
Our alter ego/Holy Spirit can use any person's voice, any situation to make it's desires known. (Think the movie "Grand Canyon" where a homeless man walks past the mother and says, "The baby need you as much as you need the baby.")
The end result is the perfetc harmony that God/the creator wanted to happen in the Garden of Eden. Peace. Love. Happiness.For now on . . .
Now on to the OTHERS. My thoughts are starting to think that these people aren't really bad. They in fact are doing something with a "Greater Good" in mind. OK we now know that it's pretty much a given that Ben and some of them have been on this island for many many years. So....what if they were in fact the "First" LOSTIES? When the Degroots started this research they brought these people here witht he idea that this would be the starting point for it all. Think about when the Dharma research started. The early 70's, and by a research group that for the most part was very much like the hippie communes of the late 60's early 70's. They stared this all with the first group of subjects, and as time went on other groups( Hanso/Widmore) became involved to help continue funding, and to keep it all going. As the first group was going back out to the real world some of them stayed behind to be the next researchers, and to help continue the making /saving of the world. So As time goes on they recruit other great minds like Juliete. The problem becomes that they have found it harder and harder to get new people to work for them, and also to be the "lab rats". So it was that Juliete ended up there for much longer than I think they would have wanted. The idea of this is not only to teach the lab rats, and to help them, but also to help the researchers, and let them bring back some of their experience to the world. Making it a cycle of learning, and growth for the world as a whole. OK..that's about all my mellon has right now. I hope this didn't bore to may of you
Wednesdayworld wrote: Not sure if you are hoping for feedback, or just want to post.
I agree with everything . . . and yet I will refine parallell universe in a different way. We are outside of ourselves. Our alter ego (the Holy Spirit, etc.) is released from us internally to guide us . . . outwardly to bring us to the choices the universe wants.
Our alter ego/Holy Spirit can use any person's voice, any situation to make it's desires known. (Think the movie "Grand Canyon" where a homeless man walks past the mother and says, "The baby need you as much as you need the baby.")
The end result is the perfetc harmony that God/the creator wanted to happen in the Garden of Eden. Peace. Love. Happiness.For now on . . .
Feedback is just fine. I would like to think that the creators of this show would be thinking in the more spiritual lines if for no other reason thatn I can bet that alot of the people who watch the show have no idea that is what they are trying to show them. In the end it could in fact maybe teach some to be better themselves. At the same time I have trouble thinking that they would do that. Unless it's something like "touched by an angel" or things that we know going in are going to have religous under/overtones. It gets a bit tough to do. With all of the world religions who watch this to show it as that could end up creating problems. Many religions don't have that idea of the "Holy Spirit" in them. It's cool regardless of what it is, but if it is a version either way of the parrallel universe I think it could be a nice twist.
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
you seem to come at this with the basic thought that man is in control of his own life... which is a way of living... the big line from fbye... the universe has a way of course correcting..... (side thought of locke's belief that the island does things).... and this goes to the very basic question of fate/destiny or i chose my own path... i have learned, and become comfortable, in having a higher power directing my life... and listening to him and following his path for me has brought me into the lives of the most wonderful people and has made 'bad' people 'good'... remember how i tamed trolls... it was a gift.... i can sit back and allow the universe to direct me.... it is the locke in me... the jacks of the world want to direct their own life... have the control and chose where they want to be, yet, when 'bad' things happen, becuz the universe is course correcting, it causes frustrations and sadness. we are the causes of our own suffering. do we stop suffering in this lifetime? no. our chose is one of i control or the higher power (the universe, the island, god) controls my life....
I fully accept your thoughts and views LL. I also agree in theory that to allow a higher power to lead my life is how it should be. BUT..I say again..BUT...over the last 10 years (just going with the most recent) I've come to find that when I've allowed myself to be taken on a journey by a higher power I find myself having to dig myself out of a hole. The good things I have in this life (Angie, Kala, Treehouse ect..) are things I fought for, took apon myself to make happen, and or other things of that nature. Showing that yeah..you know what I believe, and I may be more Jack than Locke, but I can also say that I don't regret anything. I've tried to find a balance, and I think I'm pretty much there. Life (as most here know) has found a nice way of smacking me around, and it's just something I'm slowly coming to accept as an inevitable reaction to the good things that come along for me. The old "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". I still believe that there are powers beyond my control, and that I believe in the power of god, and that prayer can make miricles happen. I've seen them with my own eyes. I also know that for those same miricles were given to those who like me believed, but weren't devote by any stretch of the imagination. So I do think that it's possible for one person to make their own fate to some extent. I know had I not made the (self thinking) choice to remove myself from the bad situation I was in less than a week before I ran into Angie. I wouldn't have been forward enough to spend 6 hours that night talking to her, and I also made the choice to continue. So in my eyes it's a balancing act. God, may have given me the chance to see her at that time, but I made the choice to pursue it, and also to further things in the following days when she wasn't really sure she wanted to deal with a man at the time. So choice and fate......go hand in hand as far as my life has gone.
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
snootch2danootch wrote: . I know had I not made the (self thinking) choice to remove myself from the bad situation I was in less than a week before I ran into Angie. I wouldn't have been forward enough to spend 6 hours that night talking to her, and I also made the choice to continue. So in my eyes it's a balancing act. God, may have given me the chance to see her at that time, but I made the choice to pursue it, and also to further things in the following days when she wasn't really sure she wanted to deal with a man at the time. So choice and fate......go hand in hand as far as my life has gone.
believe me.... if you hadn't pursued it another chance would have been there... call it kharma or fate or divine intervention... when god has a plan for your life, you may think that you are clawing your way to make things work, but he is there giving you the strength and willpower to succeed.... he is the one who controls us... we are the ones who make our lives difficult... follow his path to begin with and you don't fall into the hole... you don't have to dig your way out... he will always be there... always take care of us...
