I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
rewatching keeps bringing new perspectives to this show... even seeing it as a 'morality question...' (remember those???)
imagine your little island community, able to support about 50 people-freethinkers and doctors and reserchers, comfortably. there is an airplane crash that doubles your population. if you take all of them in, you will not survive. you have the capability of finding out who these people are and what they do and you begin to choose the best and the strongest to come live in your community. the remaining people don't understand and they kill some of your people. this leaves room for more to join your community. you make a list and take who you want, including children, making sure that the young will survive. the decisions are tough, but you have to decide who is good enough to join your community and you replace only those who die. how do you decide who can join?
But of course, your community has a submarine, and communication with the outside world and has also kidnapped a pregnant woman in order to take her baby from her womb and let her die ...
What happened to valuing all life? Does that go out of the window now?
Hello all. Hope you don't mind me jumping in but I have just joined the Treehouse. I also love these kind of debates as Lady can tell you LOL..
I think to some degree Lady is right - in a small community like this sustainability would be your first concern but others are also correct the island appears big enough..
However - what cannot be condoned is the way it was done. There was NO communication or attempts at communication from the others towards the Tailies. Taking people, in the middle of the night dressed as savages - how did they think a group would react - with peaceful demonstrations? sit-ins? no Bens mob deserved all the rough treatment they got as they were the antagonists in this. er...just my opinion guys ;)
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
Hello all. Hope you don't mind me jumping in but I have just joined the Treehouse. I also love these kind of debates as Lady can tell you LOL..
I think to some degree Lady is right - in a small community like this sustainability would be your first concern but others are also correct the island appears big enough..
However - what cannot be condoned is the way it was done. There was NO communication or attempts at communication from the others towards the Tailies. Taking people, in the middle of the night dressed as savages - how did they think a group would react - with peaceful demonstrations? sit-ins? no Bens mob deserved all the rough treatment they got as they were the antagonists in this. er...just my opinion guys ;)
this is nice!! i wonder... did richard's people try communicating with the dharmas? are they another dharma faction? if they tried to communicate and it failed to create harmony.. were they gun-shy in communications with new people? and (since they seemed to merge with dharma) is that behind the failure to communicate with the tailies and other 815ers?
Hmmm. good question - well - IF Richard had never been off island - I would have said that argument could have worked. However we have seen he is a good negotiator in the dealings he had with Juliet (pre-island). Richard (not including Ben here) has the wherewithall to 'stand his own' in our modern society therefore he could have easily used that knowledge to influence the way the tailies were 'infiltrated'.
What they did ( to Tailies and to some extent with Ethan) and how they did it bordered on a kind of barbarianism. If they were deciding who was fit/able to join their society - well this borders on Nazism.. although I guess it could be argued it could also smack of true Darwinism or the 'survival of the fittest'
Who knows - maybe this is what their society IS all about - they could be The Darwinian Fundamentalists?? Even Tesla talked of the rise of the Eugenists..
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
Hmmm. good question - well - IF Richard had never been off island - I would have said that argument could have worked. However we have seen he is a good negotiator in the dealings he had with Juliet (pre-island). Richard (not including Ben here) has the wherewithall to 'stand his own' in our modern society therefore he could have easily used that knowledge to influence the way the tailies were 'infiltrated'.
What they did ( to Tailies and to some extent with Ethan) and how they did it bordered on a kind of barbarianism. If they were deciding who was fit/able to join their society - well this borders on Nazism.. although I guess it could be argued it could also smack of true Darwinism or the 'survival of the fittest'
Who knows - maybe this is what their society IS all about - they could be The Darwinian Fundamentalists?? Even Tesla talked of the rise of the Eugenists..
that puts a whole new slant on things!!! how do we decide who is the most fit to survive? is it based in intelligence? physical prowess? manipulation of people? -- gee... i wonder who that describes???
I must first admit that I really hate this thread. I don't know where the writers are going with the story, but I certainly hope it isn't just some theory like survival of the fittest or some such crap. I hope that it is a lot deeper than that. Something supernatural, a little more intriguing. I wouldn't want to invest all my time and emotions for a simple theory like Surrealism or something else that fits a mold.
Hello all. Hope you don't mind me jumping in but I have just joined the Treehouse. I also love these kind of debates as Lady can tell you LOL..
I think to some degree Lady is right - in a small community like this sustainability would be your first concern but others are also correct the island appears big enough..
However - what cannot be condoned is the way it was done. There was NO communication or attempts at communication from the others towards the Tailies. Taking people, in the middle of the night dressed as savages - how did they think a group would react - with peaceful demonstrations? sit-ins? no Bens mob deserved all the rough treatment they got as they were the antagonists in this. er...just my opinion guys ;)
Welcome!
That's what I've always wondered. Could've knocked on the door, 'hello we live here and this is how it is..' Or 'we need your help', etc.
But of course, your community has a submarine, and communication with the outside world and has also kidnapped a pregnant woman in order to take her baby from her womb and let her die ...
What happened to valuing all life? Does that go out of the window now?
In essence scaring the turd out of everyone (hello - crash victims - or are they not).
You've got a valid point their Lion. Now it's kill or be killed?
Hello all. Hope you don't mind me jumping in but I have just joined the Treehouse. I also love these kind of debates as Lady can tell you LOL..
I think to some degree Lady is right - in a small community like this sustainability would be your first concern but others are also correct the island appears big enough..
However - what cannot be condoned is the way it was done. There was NO communication or attempts at communication from the others towards the Tailies. Taking people, in the middle of the night dressed as savages - how did they think a group would react - with peaceful demonstrations? sit-ins? no Bens mob deserved all the rough treatment they got as they were the antagonists in this. er...just my opinion guys ;)
this is nice!! i wonder... did richard's people try communicating with the dharmas? are they another dharma faction? if they tried to communicate and it failed to create harmony.. were they gun-shy in communications with new people? and (since they seemed to merge with dharma) is that behind the failure to communicate with the tailies and other 815ers?
Somehow I don't see Richard as gun-shy in any way. Maybe we all see things differently?
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
seeing things differently is what LOST is all about! we all have been influenced by our own life-experiences and family-units... it teaches us our outlook on life and imprints so much of our attitudes toward life and others... we use this to react to people and situations in our lives and determines how we interpret the events of our lives. is life a positive or negative experience? are people able to change? are we intrinsically good or evil? ... and as was ask these questions, life unfolds and we often find there is more than one answer to any of the questions of life...
