great beginning!! is des stuck in some kind of time loop? what does the storm around the island mean/ protect/ do??? and why did it effect des so? is he in 2 realities at one time??? two times at once? hmmm

1996??? that was some time ago! what a loop! oxford university...queen's collge physics dept...
des' constant is penny... this is what grounds him and keeps him focused... how much of his time between 1996 and the time he ended on the island did he loop? did daniel fix him until he left for the race?
rain in the army... interesting.... now we know why he was drummed out of the army.... the island has stong effects on these people even before they got there???

the black rock??? off madagascar??? my brain is exploding... journal of first mate found off madegascar? that's off africa! and widmore buys it? why?? is he the man behu=ind this wehole thing??? instilling cowardice in des... finally he knows the dte... but without the constant will he die??? penny... love him and save him... please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

according to Darlton, Des's conciousness from the past time traveled to present.  

I'm surprised you didn't pick up on the fact that it was the hanso family who had the journal until Widmore bought it.

-- Edited by LionQueen at 23:28, 2008-02-28

After this episode, we have to rethink everything. About Klugh being so willing to be shot, and Mikhail 'dying'.

The aneurysms happen to the ones who don't have a constant.

I'm confused about Walt and Hurley's special abilities though.

I was looking all around and did not see you post! Sayid was pretty cool! He had to fix the computer in the hatch and the phone, both relating to Desmond.

 I can guess who Sayid's 'constant' is!




-- Edited by Desmond_Pen at 09:49, 2008-02-29

i have re-watched... and re-written some notes and come up with observations and questions.... i love this epi! so LOST!

in order to get to the boat, frank flew thru a storm. it was storming when they landed. it was storming when rousseau's ship crashed and when des' boat crashed...(maybe the balloon too??) and 815 hit turbulence of some sort... even with the sub... 'the last part of the trip can be a little rough...'

we know there are specific coordinates used to enter and exit the island... if you enter wrong there are 'side effects'...

this brings us back to one of our fundamental questions... were these vessels brought there accidentally or was it their destiny to be there? did the island bring them there? are they there for a purpose and what is that purpose? was this meant to be? was this their future?

if des was conscious in one time he was catatonic in the other.. does this mean your body can be in two times at once but your consciuosness can't??  can you function in more than one time simultaneously?



the brain short curcuit's if you don't have an achor in both time eras... is this also the cure?
we know penny is des' anchor... who wanted des to die? who wanted that flashing yellow lite not to be answered? if widmore then he would be keeping des and penny apart... what if it was destiny thatb kept this from happening? they just weren't meant to talk until dec 24, 2004...  what if it was someone else? and that is who sayid systematiccally kils in the future?

the black rock set sail march 22, 1845 on a training... (or trading??) mission from  (or for) the port of siam....  the only artifact ever found was a journal written by the 1st mate... it was discovered in the artifacts of pirates 7 years later off lu san marie, madagascar....    contents known only to the family of the seller, tobar hanso...

corrections on that please??

The Black Rock set sail from Portsmouth, England March 22, 1845, purportedly on a trading mission to the Kingdom of Siam. The ship was believed to have been lost at sea. Seven years later, the journal of the ship's first mate was discovered among the artifacts of pirates on Île Sainte-Marie, an island off the coast of Madagascar. This journal was believed to be the only surviving remnant of the Black Rock's ill-fated final voyage. ("The Constant")

History (from The Lost Experience)

The Black Rock was allegedly owned and run by the British trading group the New World Sea Traders. The slave trade had been outlawed in 1807, indicating the New World Sea Traders operated in the black market. The company owned a fleet of fifteen ships, including a frigate, two sloops, and three slave ships. The Black Rock may have been one of these slave ships, though they were sold in 1882, a year after the Black Rock disappeared according to Lost Experience sources, suggesting the company may have had actually sixteen ships pre-1881.

The New World Sea Traders was owned and operated by Magnus Hanso, a former ship's captain who became a business entrepreneur. While no direct ownership has been stated, it is known that the Black Rock sailed out of slip 23 in Portsmouth docks, and Hanso's trading group managed slips 18 to 27. [1](although Portsmouth harbor in Britain has been a naval port since the mid 1700s. From 1808 the Royal Navy's West Africa Squadron, who were tasked to stop the slave trade, operated out of Portsmouth).

 

According to articles revealed by Rachel Blake, the Black Rock disappeared in 1881, on a return voyage from a gold mining operation in the South Indian Ocean. Perhaps more interesting than the fact the ship was lost were the circumstances preceding and following its disappearance. According to traders on Papua New Guinea, the ship sailed away from port in an Easterly direction, rather than West to Africa, where it would exchange gold from the mines in Indonesia and Papua New Guinea for more slaves. According to the ship's manifest that was discovered, the Black Rock initially sailed from (and was supposed to return to) slip 23 in Portsmouth, Britain -- but no shipping company claimed ownership. A crew of some 40 men, along with an uncounted number of slaves, was presumably lost at sea.[2] Magnus Hanso was known to still have a hands-on passion for the sea and insisted on captaining several voyages every year. It is likely that he was captaining the Black Rock himself when the ship disappeared, based on the note on the blast door map.

The sale of the company in 1882 to the East Ocean Trade Group saw the remainder of the New World Sea Traders slaving and military vessels converted to legitimate trading ships. In the 1950s, the Hanso Group purchased the East Ocean Trade Group, and renamed it to the Allied Copenhagen Marine Merchants. (Rachel Blake Copenhagen 02)

Find 815

While investigating the disappearance of Flight 815, Sam Thomas received an email from someone who said that he or she knew Sonya. They sent a picture of her. After noticing incongruities in the image, Sam found four messages in it: "Sunda Trench", "Christiane I", "Black Rock" and "Tell no one - Grave Consequences." On Sam's desktop, a website dealing with the Sunda Trench originally also showed a diagram of a slaveship. (Find 815 clues/January 2)

After he got on board the Christiane I, a new website briefly appeared in Sam's web browser giving a brief history of the Black Rock. His contact, Tracey R also found some facts through research, and contacted Sam via email. Most of the information reiterated clues revealed as part of the Lost Experience, though Tracey drew some inferences not explicitly stated earlier, such as that Magnus may have been onboard the Black Rock when it vanished. Also, the website in Sam's browser claims the Black Rock was one of three slave ships owned by the New World Sea Traders, though there appears some discrepancy as the three ships the company had in 1882 were sold off (a year after the Black Rock disappeared). Thus, the article should presumably say "one of four" at least. (Find 815 clues/January 8)

It was later revealed that the Christiane I's mission was to search for the wreck of the Black Rock. It is not fully explained why the crew wish to find the wreck, but the expedition supervisor Oscar Talbot, assigned to the ship by The Maxwell Group, commented in an interview that the mission was an archaeological survey of the wreck, which they believed sank in the Sunda Trench in 1881. (Find 815 clues/January 11)  (Find 815 clues/January 14)

Okay, so, after taking ZyrtecD and  Excedrin Migrain, my sleep was very druggy and weird. All I did was dream about Desmond and time travel.

Now I have questions.

1. In this episode, Desmonds constant was Penny because  she existed in both times and he  was able to make contact in both times.  BUT in flashes, she was not  in both times, or rather, he wasn't able to contact her in both times, therefore  her being his constant wouldn't have worked?  Thus  his constant at that time must have been Charlie. He comes in contact with Charlie in the past and he knows Charlie in the present. Maybe this is why he latched onto Charlie the way that he did.

2. What happens when someoone dies while jumping to or from the future. Like, if Des had died on the freighter, would Des have died in 1996? If so, then would that have completly erased Des from the universe period?

3.  Jack and Hurley BOTH have said in the future ... "We're not supposed to be here. "  Have they then jumped from the past and into the future and so when we are seeing the flashforwards, we're really seeing present island jumping into off island?  Or vice versa? Future Jack and Hurley, possibly Kate and Sayid jumping into the past? 

A big hello from New Orleans! I'm going to ask a couple of direct but indirect questions here.  Meaning of course, that there's really another question behind it and I think, if I'm on the money, you'll know what it is. If not,  well, have some fun with it!

1. So, theoretically, if the Jack who tried to jump off the bridge was island Jack or even preisland Jack, if he'd died ...  would that have then erased  Jack from the past?

2.  Was Charlie Desmonds constant during his past jump in season three's "Flashes" ?

3.  Is the phrase "I'm not supposed to be here/We're not supposed to be here. " Spoken by Jack and Hurley in the future and now Desmond from 1996 significant to the arch of the story, like "See you in Another Life"  or just an Easter egg? 





For the Podcast - hopefully

-- Edited by LionQueen at 11:52, 2008-03-01

1. In this episode, Desmonds constant was Penny because  she existed in both times and he  was able to make contact in both times.  BUT in flashes, she was not  in both times, or rather, he wasn't able to contact her in both times, therefore  her being his constant wouldn't have worked?  Thus  his constant at that time must have been Charlie. He comes in contact with Charlie in the past and he knows Charlie in the present. Maybe this is why he latched onto Charlie the way that he did.
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i don't think that a constant in a person's life changes... once it is there, it stays there forever... in fbye, des began his time jumping...he became unstuck in time....  he did find his picture of penny from the hatch... i don't think contacting the person is what counts... i think it's more having the thought of that person with you in your heart and mind that anchors you to the time and space that you are in. the person has to be important enough in your life to keep you on an even keel.... to keep your feet on the ground while your head is in the clouds....