First, if you pay attention, you'll see that the other island is where the Hydra hatch is. it is NOT where "bear Village " is. We saw from the season opener that Bear Village is close enough for the others to run by foot to in an hour. Tell me, do people RUN under water???
None of the losties have seen Bear Village yet. Not Jack, Not Kate, Not Sawyer, Not even Michael. Possibly Walt and that's it. Jack, Kate and Sawyer are ALL three in the hydra and the hydra is NOT at bear Village.
Now, So far we have learned,
1. The others are very intelligent, well read people. NOT hillbillies and they have a very modern day communal setup right on the island.
2. Ben is one of the leaders - we're being led to think that he IS the leader - I don't believe it though.
3. Henry's name is BEN
4. Locke, Ecko, and Desmond and Charlie all survived the blast.
5. The island survived the blast too!
6. Sun did indeed have an affair and is not as innocent as she seems.
7. Jin understands more English than anyone suspected.
8. Juliette is a fertility Doctor - gee what were they doing with Claires baby again? Who could have been assisting with that ???
9. We NOW know of the existence of the Hydra hatch which we always knew was there but couldn't get Damon or JJ to say nary a word about in the past.
10. We're pretty certain that the bears that occupied Sawyers cage were prolly the Polar Bears.
11. Alex probably has a boyfriend. Karl
12. Locke has been a drug dealer of sorts in the past - growing weed. Something he sort of has in common with Charlie. A loose connection since Charlie had become quite the drug addict.
13. The others have contact with the outside world on a regular basis. This tells me they just are not good people because if they have access to the ouside world and had such a powerfyl connection as to be able to get extensive files on anyone they wishes, they could have gotten help for the losties. Instead they taunted them and have practically held them prisoners on the island. Yes, even though the Losties camp is not in Bear Village and isn't over run with others, they are still in esence prisoners by the Others who have fed them with food drops and have refused to help them get home. They obviously know how to get them back. but they refuse.
14. Ben has a tumor on his spine. - next weeks trailor.
15. The others have a submarine. - If the Hydra hatch is on the very same island - WHY did the others need a submarine to get to Sayid, Sun and Jin and steal the sailboat ??? WHICH BTW, is a good way for Jack, Kate and Sawyer to get back "home. " They escape, they find the boat and they get the hell out of dodge. Then again, perhaps they get ahold of the sub. Wonder if anyone of them were in the navy???
16. The Hydra hatch is a zoological construction.
I could think of more but I don't feel like it.
I will say though, on the map on the blast door .... there is in the lower right hand quadrant a zoological area. It mentions the polar bears and stuff. Now I'm beginning to wonder if that's where Jack and the others are at ???
I cried, "Oh, Lady Midnight, I fear that you grow old, the stars eat your body and the wind makes you cold." "If we cry now," she said, "it will just be ignored."
With this talk of the map I'm starting to think a bit. What if the map on the hatch door was in fact the basic setup of a chain of islands? I mean it could be that. If that is the case then I'm wondering this.....what is on all the other ones. We only know of the island the losties are on, and the one that the Hydra station is on.
Also without saying it outright the existance of the other island has been connected to the cable in the sand. This must be a connection line between the Hydra, and more than likely Bear Village.
(hey does anyone remember me mentioning another island like ages ago? I did...I was mentioning how you could see it in one of the scenes when the guys were leaving the island on the raft before Walt was taken.)
With this talk of the map I'm starting to think a bit. What if the map on the hatch door was in fact the basic setup of a chain of islands? I mean it could be that. If that is the case then I'm wondering this.....what is on all the other ones. We only know of the island the losties are on, and the one that the Hydra station is on.
Also without saying it outright the existance of the other island has been connected to the cable in the sand. This must be a connection line between the Hydra, and more than likely Bear Village.
I hadn't said it yet, but I was thinking the same thing about the cable. I'm going to have a look at that map again.
Ok, I couldn't wait an went ahead and looked for it. The pearl, is NOT in the ceneter it is to the right, and almost at the lower right quadrant. The hatch is NOT the question mark. I am thinking more and more that Bear Village is the question mark and that's what Kelvin was looking for all along.
The zoological center is way at the bottom right hand side, below where the pearl is. My thinking is that when the losties go back to the pearl, they will find a way to get to the hydra. This is so extensive, I'm going to make another thread about the blast door map. There's alot of info here and I found an interlayered map that also translates the latin and stuff. They really did give us ALOT of info when they showed us that map! It doesn't appear that the entire map is a layout of islands though. not to me. However, it is likely that Ben is telling the truth and that they are on another island given the layout of the hatch's on the map. I say that because the Pearl is actually pinpoint on the map outside of the lines of the hexagon/octagon - whatever that thing is called. We assume all the hatches are within that realm - but they're not. And the word hydra isn't even in there at all. Interesting.
(hey does anyone remember me mentioning another island like ages ago? I did...I was mentioning how you could see it in one of the scenes when the guys were leaving the island on the raft before Walt was taken.)
I do not, but that is SOOOOOOOOO cool. AND it'd be great if we could ind that again and shut the naysayers up who said, you would have seen the other island already if there was one!!
The Pearl Station wasn't underneath the Question Mark, correct? Locke and Eko had to move the Nigerian plane to get to that station, if I remember correctly. I tried counting when i watched the scene on tv, but how many stations were on the hatch map? I think I counted more than the 6 mentioned in the Orientation film, but I could be wrong.
Good call about the Others not being good because they could have 'saved' the LOSTies. I thought that too after the first couple of episodes.
The Others haven't killed any of the LOSTies have they? Not that we've seen, I guess. They tried killing Charlie.
1. Pushing the button...was indeed a good thing...no pushy button...hatch go BOOM!!
2. The others are stuck on the island. (explanation thread coming soon)
3.When Hurley needs to his spryness can get him moving around the island pretty good. Seems it only took him like 1 day to get back across the island on his own.
4. Jin at some point took at least a few english lessons...I hope wew get to see why.
5. Locke is a very confused and lost soul. For every dirrection he thinks he needs to go he finds himself turned upside down and backwards because of it. His value in fqith instead of what's really in front of his face is his biggest downfall.
6.Juliet seems to be a leader of sorts, but is she just waiting for the right time to overthrow Ben?
7. Jack is finally not as much of a wussy as he had been up until Season 3 epi 4. now he seems to have gained some self confidence, and also his independance from his past demons.
8. Sawyer for all of his stregth and swagger is still the same scared little booy under his bed watching his dad shoot himself.
9. Sun still is far from dealing with her demons. Her infidelity is only one of her issues. I believe her willingness at the drop of a hat to try to decieve anyone including her husband is a major issue that we still may not know the reasons for. *** She also knows how to hold and wield a gun properly.*** Where would she have learned that?
10. I've learned that right now...Rose, Bernard, Charlie, Claire...all are non factors to the show.
The others (at least those with Ben) seem to be OK with the hatch going boom. They haven't even seemed to be phased by the fact that it's gone. We know now that they have been watching from another place than the Pearl. So they aren't really effected in their research by what happened.
Next we know that it's very possible that their communications with either the outside world or Bear Village is messed up from the discharge from the hatch implosion.
VERY good observations Snootch! I originally started this l;ist for all the stupid people in ANBC who have complained there's too much violence and we've learned nothing this season so far and it's beena rip off. I disagree. We've learned alot and more to come. You cannot eat a 7 course meal in one huge inhale and enjoy it and taste it. feel the texture of it in your mouth and actually say that you "dined."
At anyrate. That's what I've said along about the button. That's why I think ben's visit was mor ethan just nabbing Jack. From the moment he was in the hatch, he was in control, and he is responsible for that button not being pushed. He wanted it to happen. He egged John on until John took the bait. The question is .... we know that Henry must have pushed the button when he was there during lockdown. Why did he egg John on to not push it ? Why didn't he just stand there and let the clock wind down?
*I* personally also feel that he was responsible for the blast doors coming down and the purple light. I still feel he has been plating a game with them even now. I can't figure out what it's supposed to acomplish. maybe things that the others can't themselves so they're trying to maipulate the losties to do it for them ?
OR this is as I said a experiment either for research or for testing out something else and using the losties to do it. I stand by my game theory. This whole thing is being layed out like a game.
IN light of everything, I now have to say that Ben wanted John not to push the button so that the implosion would happen and they would be one step to being stranded on the island. Ben believes if they leave bad things will happen. Looks like he andJohn have more in common than we knew!
I think the show is going to be completely different now. They will have to team up and figure out how to save their precious Island. I don't know why so many people have to die in the process. What does the Island need? We're about to find out.
It's hard not to build up expectations and I hope that Darlton realizes that many people will have high expectations and don't end up putting somethign out there that doesn't even halfway meet those expectations.
I think they realize the high expectations because people don't hold back on telling them what they think. Like the Nikki and Paulo thing. People had really high expectations and they got a lot of flack for that storyline. And the Jack story in (was it Singapore?) disappointed a lot of people and Damon admitted that wasn't the best episode. They've got a lot of pressure! I know they said that from now on they were going to write what they're going to write without the influence from the audience and I hope they do because then they'll be writing for their core audience, which is us!
I think the show is going to be completely different now. They will have to team up and figure out how to save their precious Island. I don't know why so many people have to die in the process. What does the Island need? We're about to find out.
