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RE: Major Spoilers - Enter at Own Risk


Okay .... hold on to your britches and don't read unless you wanna know ...

I just got this hot from Dark's site ...and wtf.gif this is crazy insane ... and it's in spoilers .. so .. I dunno ...

LOST found its way deep in the forest above Pearl City today at the old Waimano Home complex. The area is known today mostly for great ridge and valley hiking, and the drab buildings formerly a mental institution now house offices for the states public safety and health departments. As it turns out, the drab, decrepit concrete structures were exactly the look LOST was going for. The scene being filmed takes place in a hospital maternity ward, but the mood seemed anything but joyous.

Wardrobe seemed decidedly rooted in the 1950s, from the hospital staff to the dapperly dressed men and women scattered around the set. One of the main faces was familiar, the other was not. Nestor Carbonell (the much-missed Richard Alpert) was spotted, looking especially stylish in a suit. But the center of attention was a distraught woman in her 20s. I have no idea who the actress was, but her characters name may ring a bell: Emily.

Emily who? Well, it would be one of the (real, not TV) nurses who would help connect the final dots, just mentioning offhand one of the babies on the set today. A baby whose adult incarnation was apparently expected to be on the scene tomorrow. And a baby whose mother we have seen before just much, much older: Emily Locke. Yes, the very one who sold her son out, and who also spent some time in Santa Rosa.

Imagining the eerily ageless Richard Alpert off-island in the 1950s is amazing enough. But could it be that he was there for John Lockes birth? The mind boggles.

With Paul Edwards in the directors chair, my guess is that this is all for Episode




I can say that it has always seemed to me a bit bit than Ben just getting a few files on people. You can know facts about people ... Ben is the leader of the others, his mother died at childbirth, he has a daughter named Alex, he nearly died of a spinal tomour ... and then there's the little stuff that you can't get from files and records but from first hand experience .. and intimate knowledge of the person as if you've watched his/her life like you watch a character in a movie and see the stuff noone else sees ... like ...  ben smiled when  he got under Lockes skin and Locke slammed the door and then threw the plate of food on the  ground.  Ben saw his mother outside his window  in his bedroom.
His mother told him it wasn't time for him to come with her yet. Ben told his father goodbye before he gassed him to death in the truck. Ben found his father passed out slobbering drunk on the couch when he walked in the door on his birthday.  See what I mean?

Like when I think it was Ben who reminded James of the guy he'd killed in Australia. Noone else was there, James didn't offer up that he'd killed anyone to anyone. How would Ben know that? Unless he'd been intimately involved somehow in his life in the background somewhere.

You can't get that far into someones head unless you really know them.


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omg.gifclap.gif That's so cool!

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VERY interesting!


A Big scene is being planned for filming currently involving the Rescue
- The Freighter people are NOT the ones that do the rescuing
- The Season finale will leave you ballistic as far as cliffhangers go.

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I read that earlier... ugghh... I don't want to go ballistic! Only because we're going to have to wait so long for next season...

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I Know!!!!!weirdface

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From DK -

I can reveal that the body that is washed ashore in Episode 4.09 is that of Doc Ray. His body itself is not that significant but what it implies does.


Ok ... what the hell does that mean???!!  Do we know Doc Ray? Who is Doc Ray? i can't remember ....


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LionQueen wrote:

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I can reveal that the body that is washed ashore in Episode 4.09 is that of Doc Ray. His body itself is not that significant but what it implies does.


Ok ... what the hell does that mean???!! Do we know Doc Ray? Who is Doc Ray? i can't remember ....



 Ok, good I was afraid I was the only one who didn't remember who Doc Ray was! Lol.


There was also this list on DUFO...

Spoilers from article for the Rest of Season 4:

1) We will learn how the O6 leave the island
2) What happens to those who stay behind
3) Why Sayid is working for Ben
4) Who is in the coffin
5) New "Game Changer" at end of this Season
6) Episode 9 is a Ben Flash Forward
7) Smokey will appear and we will learn a "new dimension" of it
8) A "major" and "mysterious" story line for Claire will begin, that setup the next few episodes and "years"!!
9) Episode 10 is a Jack flash forward
10) Only one flashback - Previous spoilers here reveal a potential Locke FB in episode 11
11) We will see ALL 3 levels of the Orchid and learn about the time traveling (warping) abilities
12) Penny, Richard and Abaddon all appear
13) Daniel Faraday and Miles will have to wait until next season for more of their story
14) Hurley will encounter Smokey
15) Finale Kiss will "complicate" the triangle
16) Sawyer will be involved in "frantic" gun battle

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LionQueen wrote:

From DK -

I can reveal that the body that is washed ashore in Episode 4.09 is that of Doc Ray. His body itself is not that significant but what it implies does.


Ok ... what the hell does that mean???!!  Do we know Doc Ray? Who is Doc Ray? i can't remember ....



wasn't Ray the name of the Dr. on the freigher?



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Island_Reigns wrote:

LionQueen wrote:

From DK -

I can reveal that the body that is washed ashore in Episode 4.09 is that of Doc Ray. His body itself is not that significant but what it implies does.


Ok ... what the hell does that mean???!! Do we know Doc Ray? Who is Doc Ray? i can't remember ....



 Ok, good I was afraid I was the only one who didn't remember who Doc Ray was! Lol.


There was also this list on DUFO...

Spoilers from article for the Rest of Season 4:

15) Finale Kiss will "complicate" the triangle



and here i was hoping it would be between Desmond and Penny! hmm



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Island_Reigns wrote:

LionQueen wrote:

From DK -

I can reveal that the body that is washed ashore in Episode 4.09 is that of Doc Ray. His body itself is not that significant but what it implies does.


Ok ... what the hell does that mean???!! Do we know Doc Ray? Who is Doc Ray? i can't remember ....



 Ok, good I was afraid I was the only one who didn't remember who Doc Ray was! Lol.


There was also this list on DUFO...

Spoilers from article for the Rest of Season 4:

1) We will learn how the O6 leave the island
2) What happens to those who stay behind
3) Why Sayid is working for Ben
4) Who is in the coffin

I really want to know all of that!!!!!!!



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KateisLost wrote:

 

Island_Reigns wrote:

LionQueen wrote:

From DK -

I can reveal that the body that is washed ashore in Episode 4.09 is that of Doc Ray. His body itself is not that significant but what it implies does.


Ok ... what the hell does that mean???!! Do we know Doc Ray? Who is Doc Ray? i can't remember ....



Ok, good I was afraid I was the only one who didn't remember who Doc Ray was! Lol.


There was also this list on DUFO...

Spoilers from article for the Rest of Season 4:

15) Finale Kiss will "complicate" the triangle



and here i was hoping it would be between Desmond and Penny! hmm

 



Yeah I was really hoping that too!!

 



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KateisLost wrote:

 

Island_Reigns wrote:

LionQueen wrote:

From DK -

I can reveal that the body that is washed ashore in Episode 4.09 is that of Doc Ray. His body itself is not that significant but what it implies does.


Ok ... what the hell does that mean???!! Do we know Doc Ray? Who is Doc Ray? i can't remember ....



Ok, good I was afraid I was the only one who didn't remember who Doc Ray was! Lol.


There was also this list on DUFO...

Spoilers from article for the Rest of Season 4:

1) We will learn how the O6 leave the island
2) What happens to those who stay behind
3) Why Sayid is working for Ben
4) Who is in the coffin

I really want to know all of that!!!!!!!

 



Yes! I'm so glad they are not going to make us wait until next season for all of that info!

 



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A couple of tidbits from Kristin:

Remember when the monster ate the pilot? Well, the show hasn't forgotten either: Greg Grunberg, aka Oceanic pilot Seth Norris, was in Hawaii last week filming scenes for the show...Whoo-hoo!


According to my sources, the Orchid Station, which we should finally see soon, may be a major set going into next season as well. I've personally decided that's because it is totally a time machine, but I've been known to talk crazy.

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They will show the Orchid in great detail, the different elevls and everything. Um, get ready to see Locke as a kid Thursday too!

But I'm just gonna be completly upset if they kill Alex. But I think they're going to and that is really shocking. But then, it might be Claire. They might do with us like they did the Sawyer thing and make us think it's Alex, and then it turns out it's Claire ...ohmygod.gif


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That's cool about the Orchid. It's Locke-centric this week? Will we be seeing Richard Alpert?

Yeah I will be very upset if they kill Alex. I know there is supposed to be an execution style death... that worries me. I don't want them to kill Claire either. But her dying in an explosion wouldn't be as shocking as a teenager being shot in the head. hmm.gif

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I agree .... shooting Alex execution style is just horrific. It's a shame because this is another character we're invested in, but don't know enough about. I hope this isn't the case. Poor kid deserves better.

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GRRRRR!!!! mad.gif


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I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!angered.gif

I'm not really keen on this whole ... you killed my daighter and now I'm gonna kill yours thing ... but ... there's aspects of the show that aren't as attractive to me and aspects that rock my world ...shrug.gif

So ... did you think that possibly when Ben went behind closed doors and pushed open that big rock thing that he actually jumped to Oct 2005 from there and then came back to present day?  I wanna know just what rules did Widmore change.

I also am starting to think that Widmore has been looking for that island by using Oceanic Airlines and that's why he told them to kill everyone. One of the pilots was in on it and that's why they were off course to begin with. Because that pilot was meant to get them off course going towards where Widmore thought the island might be. Then Desmond brought the plane down by what he did. 

So, of course since he set up the fake wreckage he wouldn't want anyone from the island to be alive to be able to go back and tell everyone that there's an island such as this out there.

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Hmmmm .... Terra Australis Incognita ..... could this be the island?

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http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Terra+Australis+Incognita

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LionQueen wrote:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Terra+Australis+Incognita




 

Here Be Dragons

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"Here be dragons" is a phrase used by ancient cartographers to denote dangerous or unexplored territories, in imitation of the infrequent medieval practice of putting sea serpents and other mythological creatures in blank areas of maps.

The only known use of this phrase in an actual medieval map was in the Latin form "HC SVNT DRACONES" (i.e. hic sunt dracones) on the Lenox Globe [1] (ca. 1503-07). The term appeared on the east coast of Asia. Many other maps contain a variety of references to mythical and real creatures, but the Lenox Globe is the only one which bears this phrase.

"Here There Be Dragons" was used in a paper submitted to the planetary science journal Icarus by Michael James Gaffey of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in reference to the north polar region, labeled "Terra Incognita", of the asteroid Vesta.[3]


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Phantom islands, as opposed to lost lands, are land masses formerly believed by cartographers to exist in the historical age, but to have been discredited as a result of expanding geographic knowledge. Terra Australis is a phantom continent. While a few phantom islands originated from literary works (an example is Ogygia from Homer's Odyssey), most phantom islands are the result of nautical errors.

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Indulging my curiosity in this rabbit trail, I followed it to another interesting tidbit ...A movie named "Lost Horizen which centers around a utopian society "Shangri-la " aka "Shambala" and well, just read ...

Fleeing unrest in China, a small group of airplane passengers is hijacked by the pilot. The plane eventually runs out of fuel and crashes deep in the Himalayas, killing the abductor. The group is rescued by Chang (H.B. Warner) and taken to Shangri-la, an idyllic valley sheltered from the cold. The contented inhabitants are led by the mysterious High Lama (Sam Jaffe).

Initially anxious to return to "civilization", most of the newcomers grow to love the place, including academic Alexander Lovett (Edward Everett Horton), swindler Henry Barnard (Thomas Mitchell), and terminally ill Gloria Stone (Isabel Jewell), who miraculously seems to be recovering. High-ranking British diplomat Robert Conway (Ronald Colman) is also enchanted, particularly when he meets Sondra (Jane Wyatt), who has grown up in Shangri-la. However, Conway's younger brother George (John Howard) and Maria (Margo), another beautiful woman they find there, are determined to leave.

Conway eventually learns that his arrival was no accident. He was brought there by the High Lama to take his place. The founder of Shangri-la claims to be hundreds of years old, preserved, like the other residents, by the magical properties of the paradise he has created, but is finally dying and needs someone wise and knowledgeable in the ways of the modern world to keep it safe.

George refuses to believe the Lama's fantastic story and is backed up by Maria. Torn between love and loyalty, Conway reluctantly gives in to his brother and they leave, taking Maria with them. After several days of gruelling travel, she becomes exhausted and falls face down in the snow. When they turn her over, they discover that she has died...of extreme old age. Her departure from Shangri-la had restored Maria to her true age. Horrified, George loses his sanity and jumps to his death.

Conway continues on and eventually meets up with a search party sent to find him, though the ordeal has caused him to lose his memory of Shangri-la. On the voyage back to England, he remembers everything; he tells his story and then jumps ship. The searchers track him back to the Himalayas, but are unable to follow him any further. In the final scene, Conway returns to Shangri-la, to the waiting Sondra.


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Here's another couple of interesting tidbits I got from wikipedia about it ...

The lamasery has modern conveniences, like central heating, bathtubs from Akron, Ohio; a large library, a grand piano, and food from the fertile valley below. Towering above is Karakal, "Blue Moon," a mountain more than 28,000 feet high.

The lamasery has since then been joined by others who have found their way into the valley. Once they have done so, their aging slows; if they then leave the valley, they will age quickly, and die

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I'm also getting a keen suspicion that perhaps Daniel plays a larger role than we realize. Like PERHAPS The Orchid runs off of the stuff that Daniel came up with at the college. That somehow, perhaps he was instigative in Dharma's experiments even though he'd never been to the island?


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Very cool info!

When Hurley was riding around in the van, the song he was listening to was Shangri-la or Shambala. It really seems to make sense that there was some attempt at a utopian society on the Island.

Interesting thought on Daniel too.

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Sayid will be back on the beachclap.gif ... I didn't see Des in the promo pics ... wonder what that means??

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Very cool info!

When Hurley was riding around in the van, the song he was listening to was Shangri-la or Shambala. It really seems to make sense that there was some attempt at a utopian society on the Island.

Interesting thought on Daniel too.



I find it interesting that Shambala was the song on the radio in Hurleys flashback with he and his dad and it was the song in the tape player on the van, the same was as Downtown was playing the day Juliet left her sister at Middleworks Bioscience to go to the island and on the day the plane crashed when she begged Ben to let her go homeidea

 



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